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Post by kenmb on Jun 26, 2021 9:17:30 GMT -6
I like seeing what other guys are doing, watching, or experimenting with. There is always something I am doing and watching to see if I can learn something, or confirm an existing belief, or disprove something I once thought was true. I don't do any kind of yield comparison as I feel my fields are too variable - one 300 yard pass with the combine can be different enough from the next one to question if it was an input that made the change or just some different soil. So for me it is more about just looking at what is happening.
This year was the earliest we have seeded here using the Pillar. Many years ago dad has seeded last few days in April but that is pretty rare. We certainly have never seeded oil seeds before May 20th. So I am watching to see if early seeding makes a difference and since I have a couple places where the flax and wheat is coming up late due to straw then I can watch them and see if they catch up.
So a few things I am watching or am doing
Typical for my flax here seeded May 7th. Certified Plava at 25lbs/ac with around 40lbs Mesz in seed row. About 160lbs of a 50% mesz/urea blend in side band. Chem dealer didn't have Buctril M so did a mix of Pardner (bromoxynil at same rate as Buctril M) and MCPA Ester600 at 130g/ac. Buctril goes on at 112.5g/ac per label but I decided to go a little higher. Curtail goes on at 168g/ac but I didn't know if there was any interaction with bromo and mcpa so I didn't push it. I don't see any problems and think I can go higher on the mcpa if I want. Overlap areas look ok. Used Centurion for grassy weeds at 32 ac/jug so good load of surfactant in mix. Second field I used up the Plava and then switched to bin run Sorrel so will be interesting to see the side by side.
Wheat on barley stubble. It's coming through the trash finally. Seeded May 12th ish. Soil is moist right under the straw so thinking with some summer heat it may gain some ground on the more established crop.
Happy with the Metcalfe so far. Seeded 2" deep for 3rd year now. Seems to work fine. Emerges fairly even and then gets uneven when tillering starts but then evens out again. 2.4 bu/ac of bin run with around 35lbs of mesz (it's the most the Bourgault can put out with the fine auger in center tank). Same 150-160 lbs ac side row 50% mesz/50% urea blend. Ran out of mesz on barley so finished the year off with my side band blend going into seed row too. The mesz looks prettier coming up, but as crop grows it all looks the same.
And one more picture of compacted ground. This is my wheat. Had not a bad catch of barley last year but the couple heavy rains this spring has run off come down road and wash across the surface and sealed up the dirt then extra moisture added to the stress on the wheat and it went backwards in a hurry. Sprayed with Simplicity prior to rain and that was pretty easy on the wheat I think. So this is soil related I beleive.
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Post by Oatking on Jun 26, 2021 18:21:39 GMT -6
WOW, ken , you are right it is interesting how others farm. Last week I took soil temperatures at 2 pm and was amazed on bare black ground temps were 127 degrees F. When i measures under the straw and crop canapy it was 72 degrees F. It was 31 degrees celsius air temp. Also found interesting seeding flax at 25 lb. I always go 58 lbs on ten inch spacing. This year is my second year zero tilling and your right it takes a while before the crop grows out of the stubble. Zero tilling made a huge difference this year thou, but I still do some valley boy farming on my land and noticed fall cultivated land , is drying out quickly.
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Post by serffarmer on Jun 26, 2021 19:03:16 GMT -6
How do u deal with the barley volunteers in the wheat Ken? I’m surprised to how low your seeding rate is in flax also, u ever do any side by sides with heavier seeding rates?
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Post by kenmb on Jun 27, 2021 7:33:52 GMT -6
Figured I would post some things I am doing,regardless if it is right or wrong. Sometimes there are reasons that need more page space than a quick one sentence statement.
First time growing wheat here in about 35 years aside from some durum. Have to remember the days when you were told when you could sell your crop, how much of it,and then not know how much you will get paid. Dad was very anti-cwb so did all he could to avoid dealing with it. And now I am doing the farming am finally getting a plan in place to work wheat into rotation. So I had 60 ac of barley last year because my supplier sold out of wheat seed that they had booked for me. Barley went in but still had wheat planned for the rotation. So wheat went on last year's flax and 60 ac of that half section that was barley. I had a bad wild Oat problem on about 40 ac of the flax too. So long story short, it opened the door to try Simplicity. I am hoping it has action on barley volunteers since it is not registered for barley. I could never try a grp 2 before because we didn't grow wheat. So this is a trial run. If a guy seeds later you can usually catch the volunteer barley with burn off. That was not the case this year so will be relying on the Simplicity. Pulled off my best barley crop last year so there will certainly be more grain tossed out by the combine last fall than normal. If barley volunteers are controlled then I will try seeding 160 ac of barley stubble to wheat next year. I usually don't use a grassy weed spray in my barley, most years I can get away without it. But this year I did grassy weed on all my cereals (Simplicity- wheat, trondus/axial -barley).
As for flax seeding rate, I mentioned before that I have grown flax with a plant every 3" and still have yield monitor showing 35 BPA going over those areas. Second year growing flax I screwed up on my gear ratio and figured it was going on at 10 lbs/ac. Adjusted it higher when realized tank wasnt going down much after 60 ac. Really never see a yield difference. I have been all over the map with seeding rate on flax but this is actually the highest I have seeded it.The other field I went max rate the tank will put out with the fine auger and that is about 32 lbs ac. Flax stools out, just like most other crops. One tuft of flax plant can have 6 stems on it if spaced far enough from next plant. Flax seed is not terribly expensive so increased rate doesn't cost that much. What it comes down to is do I need to change stuff on my tank to get to +30 lbs/ac? I don't think so. Anywhere in the 15-30 lbs is likely fine.
That gets me to some random thoughts. Dad gets magazine "top crop manager". Ive seen a number of articles of trials where they take the industry wide accepted plant density figure and add 50% or 100% to that and report their yield findings. I would say majority of their articles show very minimal yield gain, sometimes up 10%, a couple occasions a yield drop. What I always found interesting is if you were going to really do a valid study of seeding rates then why would you not run comparisons on the low side too. I have screwed up enough times to find that a reduced seeding rate doesn't seem to cost me. Higher seeding rate in barley helps the crop mature a little faster (I play with that rate enough to get a feel for it) but yield doesn't change much. Yellow mustard I have done side by side at 8 lbs and 14lbs and really no yeild difference- definitely a difference in plant density and size so ease of straight cutting is probably the bigger factor to watch, not so much yield. Peas I do around 3.2 bu/ac. I have run some at 4 bu/ac and I have not sealed the tank lid and run at 2 bu/ac. Yield always not much different. That's how my land seems to respond. I don't mind a bit higher rate but I don't find crazy high rate is of help. For flax, I think anything over 20 lbs is already in the "high"rate for me. Higher seeding rates seem to look better, but yield and weed control don't seem to change.
Soil temps was a couple things on my mind the last week. I have been digging in the dirt and feeling the soil with my hand but each time I forget to take the infra red gun with me. I am kind of curious if a guy could notice something. It is certainly obvious the soil is cooler under the straw mat. What that means in the long run for crop rotation management, straw management or yeild, I don't know. I don't seed with rtk but I can see that if a guy could seed flax perfectly between the rows of barley stubble then that would help get the plants taller, sooner. Will that difference matter when the seed boles are filled and ripening? Probably not.
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Post by kenmb on Jul 3, 2021 11:52:02 GMT -6
Flax isn't doing so well, that bare spot in last week's picture hasn't really changed and the hills has the flax quite stunted with the bottom of the plants browning. Better soil areas are in bloom. Didn't take any pictures. The bare wheat spot hasn't changed much either. I was thinking the heat this week would get it going. Too much trash (about 3" deep) not allowing the soil to breath I guess. Wheat on barley stubble looking good. A week ago it was looking like a mistake in comparison to the wheat on flax stubble. Wheat was way slower getting going on the barley stubble because of colder soil and more moisture. Right now that is working out well for direct seeding into the barley. Yesterday got to 34.5c here on the farm with winds at +20k gusting to 50k from 11 am to 7 pm, but overall 30 to 34c since Sunday so nothing crazy. Most days were calm.
Wheat on barley still doing ok this morning. This is some of the best ground here on the farm.
The wheat on flax is suffering more. Drier stubble, earlier out the gate, not bad ground here. But leaves are showing the stress. No point taking pictures of the poor ground, that crop is done, under 12" and heads developed and lower leaves crisped. Can see that stuff from the road.
Peas still blooming and making pods in the good soil.
Will be interesting to see how much barely volunteers in the wheat, the way this year is playing out it is looking like something I will try again next year. Probably seed the wheat on barley 1/4" shallower than wheat on flax to accommodate for cooler barley stubble.
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Post by kenmb on Jul 8, 2021 7:57:29 GMT -6
Brown flax sorrel vs plava.
Didn't expect the differences to be this obvious. Plava identified as being an inch or two shorter and a couple days earlier maturing.
Plava is certified seed, sorrel is bin run but don't think that really matters too much. Everything the same, seeded same day. Finished off the plava that was in the tank when I started this field then filled with sorrel, no other changes.
Not that clear in the picture but sorrel is taller by 3 to 4" and plava is blooming well. Took the picture yesterday around 2 pm which in itself is a little unusual as flax usually quits blooming before noon is my experience. This morning I can see from the house the plava is blooming and sorrel is not so much.
Some rain would be nice because right now we are in a rather extreme conditions so not a good time to assess anything. For instance sorrel might be limiting itself due to moisture shortage and could perform better in the long run with some timely rain while plava spends the last of the gas left in the tank early on.
Figured plava made sense to try as I have been combining flax and putting through the chopper then seeding into the stubble next year, no other work done to deal with flax straw. So a little shorter height and earlier maturity ticks a few boxes that fit this methodology.
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Post by SWMan on Jul 8, 2021 16:08:36 GMT -6
I'd be curious to see how that flax compares for yield. Quite a difference at this point. I did some checking last couple days and took some pictures, surprised how things are holding on since almost two weeks since measurable rainfall. Last few cooler days have helped a lot! Flax has looked good since the start, Glas at 56#/acre about 100# of N as urea mid-row. Would like to hit with fungicide but not sure which one yet. Redberry wheat, about 150# of N as urea pre-banded on pea stubble. Seeded May 7. Definitely my best field of wheat. Claymore barley, seeded May 5 at 11 at 3 bu/acre. Seems slow, heads taking forever to come out has me wondering if the Moddus is gonna make it too short this year... Renuka soybeans seeded May 25 about 105K/acre. They came up, got sandblasted off and re-grew, never looked very good but soys always have an ugly stage. This variety beat a couple others last year and maybe it can do something if it rains, but it's struggling with the drought. L233P canola seeded June 1 at 2.2#/acre 4.2TSW(Lumiderm treated), about 130# of N as urea mid-row. Canola has looked good from the start, but gonna need rain in critical stages ahead. Overall happy with things given the year, crops look better when it's cool and cloudy and are visibly stressed in hot weather. Most fields are thinner than normal and apart from Liberty it seems chemicals are having problems with kochia in general. Less weeds on the dry year for sure though. I have a field of wheat that I hate to put on here, most is in the middle. Could go either way at this point. Pasture is terrible.
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Post by victory on Jul 8, 2021 22:59:29 GMT -6
My neighbor sprayed Moddus on his barley this year and it is (very)short and slow heading out, even though it is the first field he seeded. What rate did you use, SWMan? Still hot and dry here too. Had a couple days of cooler weather over the weekend thankfully.
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Post by SWMan on Jul 8, 2021 23:04:59 GMT -6
I did the Moddus at 24 acres/jug with a late herbicide application. Perhaps my wheat seeded after the barley might have leap-frogged it for maturity, unless barley finishes fast.
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Post by victory on Jul 9, 2021 9:28:35 GMT -6
Surprised that the recommended rate for barley is higher than for wheat with Moddus.
Think it is dry enough here that we will have a natural growth regulator. That is easy to say after the fact of course. When the time was correct for spraying growth regulators here everything was still pretty lush.
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Post by slipclutch on Jul 9, 2021 12:32:47 GMT -6
I sprayed moddus on half of my barley. What was not sprayed was headed out about 10days Earlier than not sprayed. Non sprayed barley the head length is about 2” and if I Peel back the boot on the sprayed barley it’s a bout 2.5”.and very short! For what it’s worth. Need rain NOW!
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Post by SWMan on Jul 9, 2021 17:54:10 GMT -6
Interesting on the head length. I have a half pass in the middle of my field where I ran out of chemical and just mixed weed control for, might have to go for a walk and see if there is a difference there.
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Post by slipclutch on Jul 9, 2021 18:10:30 GMT -6
I been farming long enough that I know I only have a 40 bushel barley crop coming. And more then likely 40lbs a bushel.
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Post by kenmb on Jul 9, 2021 19:09:40 GMT -6
I put in Landmark wheat and looking across the field I would say it is pretty much headed out. I started Metcalfe barley right after wheat and a lot of it is still in the boot. The barley in the picture was seeded 4 days later than the wheat.
It's not bad ground here, just really suffering from no rain and holding back. Took the picture yesterday afternoon and got 0.25" a few hours later. Need more rain to fill what ever is there.
I would have expected barley to be headed out well before the wheat.
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Post by victory on Jul 9, 2021 23:06:10 GMT -6
I been farming long enough that I know I only have a 40 bushel barley crop coming. And more then likely 40lbs a bushel. Usually the bushel weight is better on a dry year vs a wet one. We've had some very high bushel weights on a dry year.
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