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Post by littletimeoperator on May 16, 2021 11:42:15 GMT -6
How are you guys determining where to run your packing pressure on these paralink drills? We have clay loam soil in SW Sask. I have an xtc with V packers and 3/4” openers (7000ac on them) and it seems like it’s overpacking. It doesn’t seem bad when we’re checking depth as we’re seeding but 5 days or so later and you have to work pretty hard to dig up the seed. Have had the drill for 6 years and it’s a balancing act between the shanks bouncing around too much and packing the snot out of it. We’ve typically ran 1350-1550psi in the past and seemed to get away with that pressure whether wet or dry seeding conditions but last year chased moisture a bit and it ended up overpacked and hurt the crop. This year we ran everything at 1250psi (went down to 1050psi for a bit after some moisture came last weekend) and still seems overpacked. However it seems any less pressure and the shanks are jumping around too much. Cereals and lentils went in at 1.25-1.5” (notch 6) and canola at .5-1”. (Notch 3-4). What am I doing wrong? Should I accept the bouncy shanks and lower pressure more? Depth is already not very consistent across toolbar.
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Post by Oatking on May 16, 2021 13:15:18 GMT -6
How fast are you seeding? usually slowing down will fix the bouncing especially important for canola seeding. When I mean slowing down I mean 4.9-5.1 miles per hour.
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Post by meskie on May 16, 2021 13:28:13 GMT -6
XTC drills are hard to get rid of the shank bounce. That’s why bourgault went to the 2:1 on the original paralink. I have no experience with a XTC besides seeing them at bourgault field days. We use V packers and haven’t found any overpacking issues. Had a friend that ran a drill with round and one with V and he thought the V packer had more consistent seed depth.
We seed canola at 4.3mph. Cereals at 4.8
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Post by littletimeoperator on May 16, 2021 13:44:50 GMT -6
Cereals and pulses 4.3-4.5. Canola 3.8-4mph
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Post by SWMan on May 16, 2021 21:29:37 GMT -6
Seeded 3 years with a 800 CaseIH drill, shanks always looked like they were bouncing around but crop always was awesome. That's the drill BG copied when they made the XTC. I then got a Paralink with the 2:1 ratio and they ran smoother but no better job, in fact worse in rolling land. I can't say for sure on packing pressure on the XTC but you are gonna see some shank movement and I don't think it's a huge issue, just don't want the shanks tripping at all under normal conditions.
The one thing I noticed when running different tips on those drills was that a 1" opener gave a much more consistent seeding depth than the 3/4" tip. We have a clay-loam soil here as well. I found the 1" tip and V-packer worked very well together.
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Post by mattmb on May 16, 2021 22:21:59 GMT -6
We have an xtc with 3/4 openers, round packers. I run around 250lbs on the pack master for everything unless it’s wet seeding canola. Seeding canola now and the ground is very hard compared to a few weeks ago, hydraulic psi is up to 14-1500 lbs sometimes. I did all our cereals at 4.5mph and 4.0 for peas and canola. Swman is right with the shank bounce, looks really bad at times but the crop always comes up very nice. They are not a speed machine at all. I’d say 4.5 is top speed. Round packers I feel can be more forgiving running higher pack pressures.
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Post by radar on May 18, 2021 19:35:14 GMT -6
I have the xtc and the round packers wheels ..{ they wouldn't sell me the v packers saying that they over pack our heavy clay soil],I find with the round wheel and a setting 5 [1 1/4] inches depth ,the round wheels pushes enough dirt onto the seed in the narrow row ..BUt the fact the packer can not get to the bottom it seems to not over pack .in seed cereals at 4.5mph up to 5 ,but then I increase the pressure up to 1750 to stop the bounce ... It seems over 4.8 or so it throws a lot dirt on the rows beside it..Canola I will seed at setting 3 with moisture and 4 when it was dry.. I slow down to 3.6-4 mph in canola and it makes a difference with the bounce, but the tradeoff is that the seeds all come up over the hills and and the steep dips. Even with big seeds I seed only 4 lbs... ..Love the machine...But only do 1500 acres with an 40 ft machine.. Now it's snowing like crazy with huge flakes.. grass will be white in 1/2 hour .....Alberta weather
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Post by slipclutch on May 19, 2021 4:53:54 GMT -6
4mph!! I would die at 4 mph. If I don’t seed at 6.5mph I would not finish seeding. But having said that RRV ground is very forgiving but still have to put it in the moisture. Still very dry here. Need a good 2” rain!!
Please dear Jesus thank you!!
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Post by Oatking on May 19, 2021 6:02:56 GMT -6
Yes 4mph is slow seeding but I think for canola its critical for no opener bounce. Has anybody actually done a trail on seeding speed? This year I slowed down to 4.8 mph for canola because of the time we had to put the seed in the ground. Cereals were seeded at 5.5mph. I find seeding at 6.5 MPH too fast especially at night.
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Post by radar on May 19, 2021 8:19:49 GMT -6
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