Mags
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Post by Mags on Nov 20, 2020 15:39:55 GMT -6
The days of paying for an acre of farmland with the money you make off that acre plus a profit are long gone. Certainly in the east and most of Alberta, not up on sask and Manitoba prices. Unless theres a big correction which I don’t see coming. Decent farmland crossed that mark about 10 years around here. I don’t like it either, I’ll be 65 when last quarter I bought is paid off. Paid for and rented land subsidies the purchase. I should have bought more land when I was younger and thought $1500 was crazy 20 years ago. Just as crazy as when it hit 4000.
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Post by SWMan on Nov 20, 2020 18:08:39 GMT -6
Kevlar unless you are confident that land prices are going to continue to inflate so the current purchase price eventually makes sense and you can secure manageable interest rates in the meantime, then I would sit tight for now. There is large risk involved with the dollars flying around in agriculture right now, and I really don't think every farmer has a handle on their risk tolerance. Just because FCC or the bank will lend you money, doesn't mean you should borrow it. Buying land has almost a generational pattern to it, right now we are likely in the phase similar to the late 70's/early 80's. I don't think we will see interest go that high, but we don't need to and there will be major problems with farm debt.
Honestly with the current state of affairs in our banana republic of Canada why would you stick your neck out to do business? Think the tax or regulatory climate will get any better in the decade(s) ahead??? I'd clean up and improve what you have, focus on maximizing returns and efficiencies on what you do already, pay off debt and wait for the next opportunity that makes sense.
Back on the subject of grain prices: Does anyone know of an advisory service that is still mostly unsold on grains? It seems that if they knew what they were doing and given the very large market move going on, someone should have sensed this ahead of time.
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Post by Mags on Nov 20, 2020 21:11:34 GMT -6
Good question. I sure wished I would have forecast the up tick. Got a text for $13 at the bin for canola March. Barley 5.25 at the bin now. Ponoka county. Of course I’ve already sold my canola and barley (still at a good price but not that good). Still have feedwheat which has been stagnant or actually dropped .25 in last month here.
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Post by shmiffy on Nov 20, 2020 21:24:27 GMT -6
I think most of the grain advisors are more in bed with the grain buyers than the farmers.
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Post by Mags on Nov 20, 2020 21:50:36 GMT -6
I agree with SW. If it doesn’t feel right don’t do it. If you have good relationships with renters I’d assume you’ll get a rip at purchase if it ever comes up. Here any good land is never listed. Neighbors buy it or Hutterites buy whole farm, never see it on MLS. Acception (spelling wrong) would be Thompson Seed Farm west of Innisfail. It was big money but 3 yards and main house was 90’s and needed an upgrade. Think it wasn’t big enough for colony or corporate outfit and two big for neighbours and they wouldn’t piece it out. It finally sold though.
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Post by kenmb on Nov 21, 2020 11:18:35 GMT -6
Curl with a guy from my local Pioneer, says they have never had such quick rail movement of grain as this crop year. No surprise really, if the people in charge want to move something, it will move. Things like union strikes or port loading delays won't take place. Also got a call from a feed barley buyer who I sold to last year that is looking for more. Interesting when someone is calling me. Though $4.85 picked up didn't strike me as someone really committed to securing more barley.
As for the farm land, just be careful of what we assume. I would agree that crashing currency values/inflation is sound reasoning but54 there are other things at work. If we beleive the BS that the debt must be paid back that our government has saddled us with then property owners are an easy target, as are capital gains exemptions, estate taxes, land transfer taxes. Basically any way you think you will turn a profit 20 years from now via asset inflation can be taken from you in other wealth transfer schemes. We also need a buyer in order to capture that inflated asset price. We talked before that all this high priced land and equipment is not being paid by farmers making a profit - it is paid by debt. Joe sells land for $500,000 and made a huge profit in his mind, yet Fred the buyer took on $500,000 of debt and will expand his debt more to add resources to farm it. Joe will pay taxes on his profit, sell assets, etc. But in all likelihood the transaction leads to an overall expansion of debt in the big picture. So inflation can drive land higher in price but if debt expansion ends because potential buyers have taken all they can stomach, then the potential buyers become few. So just be careful of assumptions. A lot has happened in the last 15 years and it is all tied to debt expansion, in order for all things to continue based on what ever logic is used, then this must continue also.
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Post by Mags on Nov 21, 2020 20:43:53 GMT -6
I’m assuming 4.85 picked up around Regina is higher than normal? 5 in central Ab picked up is as high as its ever been according to father in law (I’ve only been around the area for 10 years). Have seen it that high where I grew up south of Calgary way closer to feedlot alley. Friends down there are getting 6. I’ve never experienced the major grain companies so eager for feed barley as this year. I’m assuming there exporting it and local feeders competing for grain driving up price.
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Post by kenmb on Nov 22, 2020 10:31:38 GMT -6
$4.85 is pretty decent though there were contracts in spring available for $5 a couple years ago. I was cleaning out my heated barley at a high of $4.50 picked up this summer. Local pioneer is up to $5.27 delivered in July for feed. They are also offering $9.21 on yellow peas for April May delivery which is price levels I have never seen. Interesting enough, India still has those pea tariffs on.
I am not holding my breath on India announcing a tarrifs removal which will drive peas noticeably higher. If India wants peas they are already getting them through various channels. I think a lot of peas have already moved this year, and even though they may not have been explicitly sent to China or India, they eventually find where they need to go. Tarrifs or not.
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Post by slipclutch on Nov 22, 2020 12:01:36 GMT -6
Yeah. That’s a good price for peas. Any word on pricing for rye?
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Post by kenmb on Nov 22, 2020 15:48:48 GMT -6
Just in case guys are curious, here is the price range for y peas locally. Wheat #1 cwrs peaks at $6.62 in May for reference. No rye handled here. November seems pretty early for strong pea prices, usually see things climb slowly through winter to cover the carrying costs then a surge in spring and summer.
I am hoping to see a spread open up on Metcalfe over feed when in late winter so only booked 25% of my malt so far at the $5.47. Typically Feb - March has worked out well to sell malt, don't usually see much more upside here after but this year is already a different one. As I posted a month or two ago, beer sales have not really dropped off so myself and brokers are both wondering if there is going to be shift upwards in malt prices. Don't know if maltsters consider $4.50 to $5 feed barley a steal of a deal and use that for beer when malt is $5.50 or was to go to $6.
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Post by kevlar on Nov 23, 2020 9:08:13 GMT -6
Just got a target picked for $4.20 for oats this morning delivered. Must still be some room for them to go up, might give $4.50 a try for some more.
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Post by jvdl on Nov 23, 2020 11:09:28 GMT -6
Just had some canola trigger at 13$ for December, wonder how much higher is gonna move up in new year on til spring
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Post by radar on Nov 23, 2020 18:36:19 GMT -6
G3 is $5.50 for barley the last 2 weeks
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Post by shmiffy on Nov 23, 2020 22:27:40 GMT -6
Where is the G3 that has$5.50?
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Post by radar on Nov 24, 2020 18:46:06 GMT -6
Wetaskwin G3 just posted 5.75 for feed Barley today.
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