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Post by Oatking on Jan 23, 2021 17:52:35 GMT -6
In your opinion and experiences, which equipment manufacture has the most dependable emission control system. When equipment is new its maybe not a big issue but I wondered about equipment 5 years old what type of costs are incurred and which engine is prone to expensive repairs. Is DEF really a big issue after the warranty is off?
One thing I wondered should us owners of emission control equipment get a credit or money back since it is deemed an environmental green technology. We should not have to pay a carbon tax right?
In my opinion I would rather pay the 4000 dollars to delete the def. than risk having an expensive repair bill or down time trying to get the DEF system fixed!
Which equipment maker has the most reliable DEF system?
Any thought? Thanks
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Post by meskie on Jan 23, 2021 18:00:27 GMT -6
Yes it’s a big issue once warranty is up....but it doesn’t have to be.
Even when it’s under warranty it only covers the parts and labour to fix it. Not the service call which can add up when a machine has multiple issues Or the tech can’t figure out what is wrong. It only takes one call off warranty to pay for the delete.
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Post by kevlar on Jan 23, 2021 18:22:43 GMT -6
In your opinion and experiences, which equipment manufacture has the most dependable emission control system. When equipment is new its maybe not a big issue but I wondered about equipment 5 years old what type of costs are incurred and which engine is prone to expensive repairs. Is DEF really a big issue after the warranty is off? One thing I wondered should us owners of emission control equipment get a credit or money back since it is deemed an environmental green technology. We should not have to pay a carbon tax right? In my opinion I would rather pay the 4000 dollars to delete the def. than risk having an expensive repair bill or down time trying to get the DEF system fixed! Which equipment maker has the most reliable DEF system? Any thought? Thanks We have a 2013 New Holland CX with DEF, so far, touch wood, no issues other than the dosing nozzle needed replaced as it was leaking. 2009 Mack with just the DPF, no issues either yet after owning it for a couple years. At the first sign of trouble, they will be deleted.
If the powers that be were such strong believers in climate change, they would be footing the bill for all the emission systems, instead it's just more money in their pockets with the carbon tax. Has anyone ever said yet what any of the tax money is going to be used on?
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Post by SWMan on Feb 2, 2021 22:10:13 GMT -6
If a guy buys a Tier 4B steiger and deletes it can that monstrosity of a muffler be thrown in the bush and put something on with better sight-lines? Or do all those sensors have to stay intact?
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Post by cptusa on Feb 2, 2021 22:28:57 GMT -6
If it's done right all that stuff should be able to be tossed but the issue is resale or service work. Many OEM won't touch a deleted without restoring it.
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Post by meskie on Feb 2, 2021 22:29:38 GMT -6
If a guy buys a Tier 4B steiger and deletes it can that monstrosity of a muffler be thrown in the bush and put something on with better sight-lines? Or do all those sensors have to stay intact? Not sure about the 4B muffler but we have a 4A sitting in our shop. We put one on our T9.615 this winter. Sensors shouldn’t need to be there with the proper delete but I can ask tomorrow. I can see about a muffler also. You likely got the number to ask the same guy I’m going to anyway. John Deere around here won’t take a deleted machine in on trade. Haven’t heard about any other company’s doing that yet. |
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Post by bob123 on Feb 3, 2021 12:38:32 GMT -6
If a guy buys a Tier 4B steiger and deletes it can that monstrosity of a muffler be thrown in the bush and put something on with better sight-lines? Or do all those sensors have to stay intact? Not sure about the 4B muffler but we have a 4A sitting in our shop. We put one on our T9.615 this winter. Sensors shouldn’t need to be there with the proper delete but I can ask tomorrow. I can see about a muffler also. You likely got the number to ask the same guy I’m going to anyway. John Deere around here won’t take a deleted machine in on trade. Haven’t heard about any other company’s doing that yet. John deere dealer sat down all the workers and told us the ridiculous fines given for deleted equiptment and threatened us with personal fines if we encouraged it. Case dealer doesnt give a rip |
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Post by shmiffy on Feb 3, 2021 14:53:14 GMT -6
Deere’s shop is designed to make money. If you deleted emissions then they wouldn’t make as much.
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Post by MBRfarms on Feb 3, 2021 15:02:14 GMT -6
If a guy buys a Tier 4B steiger and deletes it can that monstrosity of a muffler be thrown in the bush and put something on with better sight-lines? Or do all those sensors have to stay intact? The 2016 Quadtrac I ran with in Australia had a simple 8" muffler from new, so it should be easily done with programming. 2 out of 3 emissions systems on our farm have been deleted so far. A close friend was the warranty supervisor at our NH dealer for a year or 2, he said emissions issues made up 60-70% of his calls. I've heard similar figures from service techs at different colored dealers. I don't know if anyone makes a reliable emissions set-up. That said, some routine maintenance can greatly reduce the chance of annoying issues mid season. Talking with some truckers they say for Def only machines pulling the Nox sensors and dosing nozzles (or any other sensor in the cannister) out every few months and thoroughly cleaning them cuts down on issues. Electronic components inside a hot cannister full of soot getting sprayed with urea is not a recipe for long term reliability without frequent cleaning or replacement. Not sure on the ag side but trucks usually have filters in the Def system that when replaced often should also help. For trucks if you look up the Rawze's Collection youtube channel, he gives lots of tips for the owner op/diy mechanic on how to keep an emissions truck reliable. |
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Post by Oatking on Feb 3, 2021 15:13:35 GMT -6
Oh does that tic me off hearing some deere dealers doing that. That comes down to that question who owns your equipment. I can see during warrantee. If you have major problems with your diesel particulate filter you can be looking at 13 grand in repairs. Never mind an engine failure from emission problems. My deere dealer mechanic knows what guys are doing and they know its a wise thing to protect the 13.5 l deere motor with a delete. They have done there fair share of engine jobs to know what is causing problems. To me if a component keeps giving you trouble isnt it just like a money pit.
Hmmm, the tractor should be worth more with a delete. If a dealer refuses to trade , Sell it privately with full disclosure. Getting that kind of work done is not taboo.
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