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Post by kenmb on Oct 8, 2021 11:48:16 GMT -6
If a guy ever wanted to guess what Nazi propaganda sounded like in the 1930s to promote itself and malign any dissenting voice then that Jespersen vid AB posted nails it.
As mentioned, the CPC winning gets us no where. Absolutely nowhere, same as it has been for decades. It's exactly why the CPC "tried to appealto Liberal voters" and such.
So this is what I am thinking about right now:
Why do you (I mean we, I most often write to no one specifically), beleive democracy works.
Why do we think a voter can be informed enough to have his voice steer the country. We could back up and even ask when did the elected people follow the will of the voters. Those Pandora and Panama paper leaks and others show the political class has no intention of being like the common people. Yet we expect that next time we will get the right government.
Why do we keep expecting anything different when election after election after election nothing really changes. You are fed crumbs but the basic things are a steady march to the same result.
How do you choose to vote? Do you really know what is going on. It is a serious question, not sarcastic or demeaning. Legitimate question: how do you know the information you are given about the state of the nation, the policy, the data is correct. It's funny that as farmers we will call BS on most government produced data or storyline (ie high commodity prices causing food to go up 50%), but when it comes time to vote we take certain things as fact.
If the government owns the CBC and pays other media groups, how do we trust the info.
So bigger picture.
If we can't trust certain data, then how can we trust a voter to vote for the best outcome. If a voter can be enticed to vote wrongly via propaganda or mis information then all you need to do is control the information. It's that simple. And you can also buy votes by promising free stuff.
Let's not forget that we are presuming voters even bother to look at info, filter out garbage (propaganda), know when they are being lied too, and then by some miracle choose the right vote. Meanwhile other voters simply guess who might win then choose that option to say "I choose the winner". And yes, that happens often.
So the simple question: Why do we think democracy can possibly work. Ever. No matter what you fix.
How do you keep the voter from having their vote "bought" by mis-information, false premises, out right bribery, or simply playing on emotions.
I would say it can't be done.
There is no way ever that a voter can be informed enough to determine the policy of a country.
And the people who really run things knew this centuries ago. We are given the belief we decide how the country runs but how can you ever think the average voter has even 1% of the real facts to vote correctly.
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Post by iamwill on Oct 8, 2021 21:29:46 GMT -6
I believe that democracy works because it's the only system of government that allows any chance of real change. If it didn't work why is the entire country not just a collection of small states run by warlords? In a county as large, diverse and divided as Canada there is no way we will ever get everyone on the same page. Maybe I am just dreaming but I think democracy is a route to change and it may take more time than we have but what are the options? Revolution? We will still be in the same sinking ship with that option because the majority of the people in this country are perfectly happy with having the government do everything for them and they have no intention of ever letting anyone pull them off the teat. I think the average voter is stupid, lazy, uninformed, greedy...but maybe someday there will be enough above average voters around to make real change. I didn't vote for the CPC, PPC, NDP, Greens or the Libs. I voted for the Maverick party, not because I am a separatist but because I think they are the farthest thing from what we have now. If Jagmeet Singh's balls were as big as his turban we would have some chance of a workable government but we know he's a spineless little turd who will do nothing to help this country and only do his best to get even more milk from the teat's of this bony cow of a country. Just my rant for the day.
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Post by kevlar on Oct 8, 2021 22:18:48 GMT -6
I don't know how you improve any form of government. If there is no such thing as accountability and repercussions for your actions, nothing will ever change. Ever.You would be lucky to go a day without hearing of a politician somewhere that's been caught doing something unethical, yet the jails and prisons aren't full of politicians. Elections don't pick the best person for the job, they only pick the only ones who want to do it. The best people for the job are too busy busting their asses to provide for their families.
Somewhere along the line, we as a species has stopped evolving. It's no longer the survival of the fittest. We have become too good at keeping everyone alive. The weak and lazy, the bad or untrustworthy people, we do everything to carry them along. A few hundred years ago, anyone who didn't work or help out were left behind to starve. Now we are at a point where these kind of people out number those of us who do everything we can to put food on the table. Those people are the ones who vote in the types of politicians we now have because they cater to the weak with handouts and welfare. The best can't rise to the top because they are being dragged down by the worst. The $hit always floats to the top.
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Post by kenmb on Oct 9, 2021 11:42:12 GMT -6
See if I can explain where I am going. As I say, if a guy really thinks about it, democracy doesn't work unless A) you get the people 100% accurate information to make informed guesses the people bother to be informed C) beleive the information What are the chances of that occurring to get a result for democracy to work.
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Post by kenmb on Oct 9, 2021 11:43:31 GMT -6
So in the above pic one of the presidents is the most popular president ever and got 81.5M votes, the other guy lost. One guy gets his name chanted at many arenas, one guy never did.
So, in a nutshell, do you think the democratic process actually works, or you are just told it did.
When you actually sit down and think long and hard about all you have witnessed over the years do you really think the system even exists.
The first step in the process of analyzing if democracy works: We have correctly identified that a lot of people given the responsibility to steer the country by casting a vote really don't care. Yet they vote, and vote wrong it seems. Look at Beijing Biden.
So the obvious solution is prequalified voters. You actually have to demonstrate you understand what you are in favor or against, not just voting to get free stuff. Yes, this is against "democracy" but when I am taking a position democracy actually doesn't work, then this is how you would start fixing it. It isn't a stretch to consider.
So now the big question: If you are to be prequalified to show you have an understanding, then where do you get your information?
What if your information is wrong. How can you be an informed voter making the right choice of the info is wrong. Garbage in = garbage out.
How come no political party in my lifetime has said what they will do about interest rates or the currency. It is our economy, our bank, our currency, our country and our government managing it all. Why don't the people ever, as in never in my lifetime, get a say in how your country fundamentally operates. Spend 45 years of your life to earn the nations currency and yet have no say. How so.
Where do you get the information in order to properly vote on if interest rates are too low.
And before anyone dismisses all this, the first question is why you never cast a vote yet on guiding monetary policy of your own currency. That is how democracy works.
So how can one say we have democracy.
I would say we don't. Never have. Because fundamentally it doesn't work. We live it everyday but tell ourselves it will work. Because someone tells us it does.
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Post by kenmb on Oct 9, 2021 12:06:47 GMT -6
I should probably add that most days I think what is going on is we are being shown how the world really works.
And this is done so that when changes are made, people will understand why.
And then there are other days where we are simply under a totalitarian regime following 4th Reich policy.
If it is the first statement, then it is up to people to pay attention to what is being shown.
If it is the 2nd, well, the good news is your personal debt soon won't matter.
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Post by Oatking on Oct 9, 2021 20:03:02 GMT -6
Well orange day last week came and gone quietly around my parts. Most business were open and only a few were taking holidays similar to our supreme leader prime minister silly socks. Its interesting how premier brian pallister gets ripped for saying our white peers wanted to make canada a better place to live and educate indians so to make them more independent , while our sassy prime minister takes off on vacation and is let off the hook by an apology. "we knew who he was and WE LET HIM OFF THE HOOK!!!"
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Post by kenmb on Oct 10, 2021 10:43:17 GMT -6
I was wondering, wasn't Pierre Trudeau PM while residential schools were still operating?
Seems to me there is mention of schools still going in the 70s. If so, was Justin ever asked why his dad never did anything about it.
My biggest issue is that the narrative around Orange day and all that is to make people aware that is should never have happened. What is totally missed is that people in government made it happen. And no one ever talks of holding the people in power accountable. It's always the taxpayer who will pay for what people in power did.
I guess it comes back to my position of rules and consequences. People in government can basically be unaccountable for actions they have directed and if government policy is ever at fault then the taxpayers pay - not the people who used government mechanisms to implement.
A few people can launch a war that kills millions and then say, whoops our bad, sorry. That is not how democratic process should work. If a small group of people represent the large collective, does that small group have no personal responsibility when wielding the power of a country.
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Post by Beerwiser on Oct 10, 2021 11:52:53 GMT -6
I worked on orange day, I wonder if I get paid overtime? Even took the time to sit down and have a beer to remember what happened. Who am I kidding, I was tired of winterizing the sprayers so I sat and had a beer and smoke to figure out if there is a better way of doing it. Heated shop was my answer btw lol.
I am getting tired of all this multicultural crap. Maybe it is time to call yourself Canadian first. If you don't want to, leave.
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Post by kenmb on Oct 10, 2021 22:18:46 GMT -6
That's the way the system works Beer. It's not that we don't know any better (ie Canadians first), it's that the system knows what is the best way to keep people from understanding where the problem lies. We do know better, and government know better also - the difference is we are right and government takes actions that are purposely intended to confuse or even fail.
The thing is, when you are right, but the government does something different, we are told we just don't understand the complexity or whatever. No, it is simply that we are being screwed over. No need to complicate it further.
As I posted a number of times, watch for solutions looking for a problem. The whole covid pandemic is a solution (destroy economy, remake society, movement tracking, removal of freedoms) looking for a problem (a virus that can't be beat).
The Trudeau "response" to stop protests in front of hospitals is another solution that needed a problem. So you create some protests or sow some intstigators (a tactic 100s of years old), and PRESTO! New rules and laws about taking away what and where you can protest. Because it looks bad for government to have people openly demonstrate how pathetic government healthcare response is. So get rid of protests in the public eye of a hospital.
Along similar grounds is this 3 part tweet talking about a letter that originated in the Department of Education (USA) "concerned" about parents protesting. The parents standing up against the school system needed a solution, so a letter was drawn to to identify the problem. Then the solution could be put into play.
This stuff happens all the time. Covid numbers are no different. They manipulate the reporting because they already know the response. It's all coordinated. And people fall for it. Every time.
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Post by northernfarmer on Dec 13, 2021 12:19:43 GMT -6
This is old news as per Justin's brother but I forgot that they never did find his body, or that is the narrative as who is to say he is dead or alive. Where are these friends of his that were supposedly with him that day. The communist angle, I had no idea Justin's remaining brother is right into that as well and of course leads back to Elliott himself and even his dad before him and what the hell was going on in that family. Given what has been happening in Canada it certainly would suggest communists have been in power/behind the scenes for a long time. Two articles that are similar but each have differences in the info.
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Post by Albertabuck on Dec 13, 2021 13:36:01 GMT -6
Don't know why NF but your post jogged a memory, was probably one of the most direct and blunt comments I ever made on the old forum. was that lefty from BC, RVwetcoaster or such when I shut him down in one post when I said how that brother was still polluting the water in Kootenay Lake, never saw anyone do a lipstand on their keyboard like he did lol
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Post by northernfarmer on Dec 13, 2021 13:57:48 GMT -6
I would guess that was before my time on that forum, never the less I had a good laugh now as to you're comment about that person having done a lip stand on a keyboard !
It really would be interesting to know if that Trudeau is alive or if he was conveniently assassinated due to possibly being a threat to the "organization" as he knew too much and might squeak. Like Princess Diana, I imagine she knew a thing or two and was a potential loose canon.
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Post by kevlar on Dec 13, 2021 22:17:19 GMT -6
It would likely blow everyone's mind on here if we really knew exactly what was going on behind the scenes and the intertwined connections of all the "elite" of the world. Would make the mafia look like child's play.
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Post by kevlar on Mar 8, 2022 11:05:53 GMT -6
I thought I could put this here or the joke thread, it's funny, but in a sad way.
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