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Post by Albertabuck on Sept 12, 2021 11:38:23 GMT -6
AB there is nothing right-wing extremist about less government and more personal freedom, and it should appeal to everyone. Your spirit of compromise is exactly why this country is where it is today. I do agree with Ken that it probably won't matter anyway, but we need to try. I read your second post as well, same applies with me, and no prob. I agree settling is not a good thing, but the reality is, sometimes it is the best alternative. Much same here in AB, I voted for Prentice, I'll admit it, was things I didn't like, but I knew there was no way in hell the Wildrose would ever come out on top, but even I didn't see what the result of that vote split would result in, was a real education on how things have changed, and that extends across the country. Between immigration and more, we have become the minority. There are some people who piss a lot higher on the totem pole of life than I do who are saying all of this and more. Reality is, in most ridings, a vote for PPC translates into a vote for Trudope. Trudope recently did a interview with the Toronto Star. The vid for it come up in my twitter feed thru Rebel News. I couldn't find it elsewhere last nite but didn't spend a lot of time looking. Its just one of many where things are laid out whats coming. Point being, you think things are bad now, we haven't seen anything yet if that prick gets back in. The concern is real and mine and others point is only that much like experimental vaccines, we are seeing unprecedented events unfold in our county and the world, and this is not the time to be experimenting with politics either. I'm not posting to piss anyone off, I'm just saying, becareful what you wish for. The shit quite possibly is about to hit the fan because of it.
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Post by ltk on Sept 12, 2021 19:35:04 GMT -6
It;s pretty simple IMO, If you are good with the status quo, vote CPC, Liberal or NDP. If you are NOT good with the status quo, vote for change (PPC, Maverick) it's REALLY that simple. people can blab all they want about "strategy" but there is only "status quo" vs actual Change and the parties that represent Status quo are clear, the parties that represent change......time will tell.
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Post by kenmb on Sept 13, 2021 8:24:50 GMT -6
I will point out where I think a fundamental shift is occurring, and it is the only place where change can originate. Joe Biden got 81.5m votes. Approximately 157m votes were cast out of something like 180m registered voters. Highest voter turn out by far in any election in any western country in decades. In places voter turn out exceeded 100% of registered voters. Has anything changed in the US knowing these facts? I would say a number of states are standing up for their rights and a number of citizens are understanding how they fit in the world. Their vote does not matter. Once you accept your vote does not matter then real change begins. If you carry on thinking "this time we can really change things with the right vote" then nothing changes. Because people beleive their federal government will govern properly if only the citizens elect the right party. In Canada, the election results are already being anoounced before polls close in the West. This is all good, and a proper way to run an election. Honestly. Your vote matters and this is how it is protected.
Much like the US, Canada also has a history of electronic voting machines in a number of locations shutting down simultaneously in a close race than a surge in one party once back on line. Still can't solve that glitch as per recent us election. But, well, your vote matters.
In Saskatchewan Ryan Myley, NDP leader, was a hair away from loosing his seat (something like 3rd NDP leader to do so in a row) but, luckily, over the next 10 days after the election day, the last votes had come in and he got his seat back. Because elections have a day event because your vote matters. Except they aren't one day, and even with early voting, and election day, that is still not good enough to get votes in, we need an extra week or two to count all votes. Because election day is not actually a day. That is far to difficult to ask all votes to be received and counted on one day. Instead it is election month.
Yes, your vote matters. It is just that the people who structure and conduct the elections don't really seem to treat it so.
Many people US are seeing their vote does not matter. And they are becoming of like mind to organize and oppose the federal government. Right now the vaccine forced mandate is having a much more difficult time then in Canada. I wonder if there is any linkage.
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Post by kenmb on Sept 13, 2021 8:34:34 GMT -6
Just in case anyone missed the obvious Pierre Pollivier is of the exact same thinking as Chrysta Freeland.
So changing liberal for Conservative has no bearing on things that really matter.
Imagine a person who has built a life beleiving the best way for citizens to move forward is to elect people to govern based on the will of the people. That is how Pierre got there. I assume he believes this. Except, the most important institution of the country, and as finance minister, the one in charge of working with that institution. When it comes to the Bank of Canada Pierre throws all his beleifs out the window and says "no, we are far better off having no input in how the citizens most important institution operates".
That is our government in a nutshell. Democracy is the best way for anything to run. Except a bank. Why is that?
What makes a bank so different that democracy works best for overseeing every single institution but not the nations bank.
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Post by Beerwiser on Sept 13, 2021 10:48:27 GMT -6
I have been thinking about "strategic" voting the last few days. I have come to the conclusion that I will vote for who I really want from now on, nothing has worked prior so why keep doing the same. I think if more people do that, we might actually get a change. Yeah it can bite you in the ass like AB mentioned in regards to NDP getting in in Alberta, but people learned(I hope) from that mistake. So now with even that mistake in the books, did it really affect anyone personally? Really what do we got to loose? Higher taxes? More wasted spending? f*ck, this is a daily occurance from every party that has been in power and needs to stop.
Summary: All the major parties are crap, I don't want any of them. So why put my name behind them?
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Post by Albertabuck on Sept 13, 2021 14:17:59 GMT -6
I have been thinking about "strategic" voting the last few days. I have come to the conclusion that I will vote for who I really want from now on, nothing has worked prior so why keep doing the same. I think if more people do that, we might actually get a change. Yeah it can bite you in the ass like AB mentioned in regards to NDP getting in in Alberta, but people learned(I hope) from that mistake. So now with even that mistake in the books, did it really affect anyone personally? Really what do we got to loose? Higher taxes? More wasted spending? f*ck, this is a daily occurance from every party that has been in power and needs to stop. Summary: All the major parties are crap, I don't want any of them. So why put my name behind them? Was thinking more about my response to Kevlar yesterday, something I should add... and that is the biggest part of it all is I don't vote with my emotions, I vote for what is best for my bottom line. I treat it like a business decision. That was why I used the example of selling grain for the best price, but there is more to it. Nothing but strategic thinking behind it all the way. And as for us here in AB Beer, strap the steel plate across your ass, there is a reason the NDP is smiling as brightly as they are currently, with Kenney have turned in the disappointment that he has and rebirth of the whole far right spectrum again, they haven't learned a bloody thing, the writing is already on the wall. We're f*cked.
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Post by Beerwiser on Sept 13, 2021 23:31:03 GMT -6
AB, I switched from 3/16 mild steel to 1/4 stainless 301 for better wear and fatigue resistance and it makes my ass look awesome too! Might have to switch to 304 later, time will tell. There is no easy answer to all this. Well there is, but very few want to admit they know it just because they know the repercussions.
Looking at the bottom line is fine and I whole heartedly agree with you. You have to take care of yourself, family, community, province/state, country in that order. No skipping steps on that. Do you think the governing party changes that?
I am done with this conversation right now, mother nature is pissing me off to no end right now to the point where I can't finish this post properly. Beautiful second cut alfalfa so close to being ready to bale but probably not in time for the rain. I will be back lol.
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Post by Albertabuck on Sept 14, 2021 9:45:55 GMT -6
LOL yea my second cut same thing...finally broke down and raked it yesterday morning, its close will probably go today, square baling it so gotta have it really dry. Just haven't had any real drying weather here either for about last six days or so. See how things go today.
Forgot to mention before, sure hope most of you voted in the early polls, sheesh I went at 8:30 the other nite, hardly anyone there and still a gongshow with all the covid crap. Can only imagine how it be election day.
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Post by SWMan on Sept 14, 2021 11:14:11 GMT -6
I always prefer to vote on election day, that way the ballot goes in the box with multiple people watching and is opened directly after the voting ceases with representatives of all parties watching. Not much room for shenanigans. What happens to the ballots in the week(s) they are cast after early voting? Is there enough accountability built in?
It blows my mind that any voting is done by electronic means and why a paper ballot would be put through a secondary process involving a machine and not humans. No surprise fraud would happen in such a manner.
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Post by ltk on Sept 15, 2021 7:38:25 GMT -6
I always prefer to vote on election day, that way the ballot goes in the box with multiple people watching and is opened directly after the voting ceases with representatives of all parties watching. Not much room for shenanigans. What happens to the ballots in the week(s) they are cast after early voting? Is there enough accountability built in? It blows my mind that any voting is done by electronic means and why a paper ballot would be put through a secondary process involving a machine and not humans. No surprise fraud would happen in such a manner. I had not considered that. I always preferred to vote early. However, being from Alberta, my vote in federal elections is absolutely meaningless so, in the end, whether it DOES get counted or if it DOES get counted to whom I actually voted for won't really matter.
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Post by kevlar on Sept 20, 2021 20:41:48 GMT -6
Oh my God, no f*cking way.
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Post by hillbillyreefer on Sept 20, 2021 21:09:15 GMT -6
Bummer. The western separatist noise has started already on Twitter. I predict a much different Canada by the time the next federal election rolls around.
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Post by SWMan on Sept 20, 2021 22:25:14 GMT -6
I predict a much different Canada by the time the next federal election rolls around. I would agree with you, but I'm not optimistic about the future for anyone. Things are about to go downhill at an even faster rate.
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Post by northernfarmer on Sept 20, 2021 22:43:31 GMT -6
I predict a much different Canada by the time the next federal election rolls around. I would agree with you, but I'm not optimistic about the future for anyone. Things are about to go downhill at an even faster rate. I don't want to feel that way but I have a very bad feeling we as a people in not only Canada but everywhere are about to spiral in a very bad way, hopefully I am all wrong and its sunshine and lolly pops.
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Post by kenmb on Sept 21, 2021 9:27:00 GMT -6
All I can say is the power lies within the people. Sadly the system knows this and it keeps us divided.
Covid enforcement/lockdown can be stopped. It can end by the people saying they are not going to enforce the mandates. The authorities will not put covid passport checkers on every corner or every doorway. The system relies on the people to enforce the mandate on themselves. The people just need to say no.
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