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L345PC
Sept 5, 2020 20:05:44 GMT -6
Post by victory on Sept 5, 2020 20:05:44 GMT -6
Have a 160 acres of this variety. We had way too much rain this year. Crop is still decent, but definitely a few weedy areas. It is about 70 percent color change.
Just wondering what would be the best time to swath it if I decide to do that. My reasoning is that the weed areas will probably be pretty green when the crop is ready to combine.
If I remember correctly, SWman posted something about this once. I'm guessing a swath roller would be necessary. Anybody else have experience with this?
Could also try to swath it at night so that the dew would weigh down the swaths. ??
I would much rather straight combine! Have been doing that for a number of years.
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L345PC
Sept 5, 2020 20:54:38 GMT -6
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Post by meskie on Sept 5, 2020 20:54:38 GMT -6
70% color change would be good to swath. You could also spray the crop and wait for the weeds to dry down then straight cut We have done that lots
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L345PC
Sept 6, 2020 0:01:25 GMT -6
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Post by slipclutch on Sept 6, 2020 0:01:25 GMT -6
Just got in from strait combining canola. Canola is dry but the straw is green. And the canola was starting to ride out. I think I should of sprayed heat on it. and I think there still room fore a swather on the farm. It’s just another tool that you can go to.
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L345PC
Sept 6, 2020 3:34:52 GMT -6
Post by SWMan on Sept 6, 2020 3:34:52 GMT -6
I'd wait for 100% and roll it tight. if your swather is up to the challenge. It does flow better with a dew or in the rain. I've actually swathed riper than this, but it was the only picture I could find right now.  |
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L345PC
Sept 6, 2020 7:53:57 GMT -6
Post by kevlar on Sept 6, 2020 7:53:57 GMT -6
How do you get the swath to go through the hole when it's that ripe? I swathed a few low spots a couple years ago after the snow that were dead ripe and it was a nightmare.
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Post by SWMan on Sept 6, 2020 8:17:08 GMT -6
How do you get the swath to go through the hole when it's that ripe? I swathed a few low spots a couple years ago after the snow that were dead ripe and it was a nightmare. I have a Challenger swather(same as Massey) with a 35' header and an Ag-Sheild cross auger. Best swather I have ever owned by a long shot. Only problem is it has 150 hours and has been parked at the back of the shed since 2017! I agree with slipclutch that a swather can be a handy tool to have, I just don't ever seem to use mine. I do have some pretty late canola this year, so might swath it to get harvest wrapped up a little earlier by taking the green out of the straw. |
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L345PC
Sept 6, 2020 14:50:09 GMT -6
Post by jaymo on Sept 6, 2020 14:50:09 GMT -6
Wouldn't want to be caught dead with a swathed field of canola today or the last week for that matter. 80Km wind today will finish off any North/South swathed fields that weren't already half destroyed from the wind we had last Tuesday.
If you just have some weedy patches, leave those areas and straight cut the rest of the field if it's ready. If those areas are that weedy green, swath it and wait till its dried down enough to harvest, but then a really ripe fluffy swath is extra vulnerable to getting tossed by the wind.
I don't know what kind of weeds you deal with but here it's kochia patches. Liberty does a great job on kochia and canola will grow fairly well in those kochia spots too. What I do, is a week after the canola is done blooming I go out some Liberty and spot spray any problem areas. By this time, if there'sanother flush of kochia, it's easy to spot. At harvest time the field is almost perfectly clean.
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Post by Oatking on Sept 6, 2020 16:18:44 GMT -6
I grew some L345pc to try out along side my main stay variety L252. I was very impressed with this variety as it yield 62 per acre compared to low fifties on my L252. The stalks on L345pc had no black leg and were a noticeable healthier stem. L252 is no dog either and I was very happy with both, but it did show me, BASF s 3 series canola varieties continue to rise above the rest .
I swathed both varieties at 60-70 colour change, which honestly, is hard to determine, but what we do is cut the canola 2 and half feet above the ground and than pack the crop into the stubble and that has proven to hold pretty good at gusty winds.
Of course the swath looks a little smaller than the guys who shave the ground , but its much easier on the combine and is great for catching snow or seeding winter wheat.
I also noticed the l345pc seed was the largest graded seed size , and I wonder if that made an impact on yield. L345pc matured 3 days earlier for me on my farm.
Kevlar I was also wondering about waiting to 90-100 colour change and swathing. I think your swather has to have an auger to help push the crop to the middle. Also a problem we often have is canola stalks pulling wires loose underneath my two Macdon swathers.
People often tell me why are you so dead against straight combining. I guess I would say I don't have to chase combines around the field fixing knives and its much easier on combine drivers to dump on the go and pick up swaths.
Plus I find swathing my canola I can get it off the field faster than my neighbours who straight, and also some guys who don't spray can run into green weeds or green canola that causes heating, just ask Bunge in Altona .
On a positive comment for pod shatter gene I guess it does give me a back door out if it rains too much and I cant get into the field.
QUESTION
Today we are getting some heavy winds and I wondered how the pod shatter gene affects the pod connection point to the stem. Does just the whole pod break off or is the connection point as strong as the pod is.
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L345PC
Sept 6, 2020 20:52:57 GMT -6
Post by jaymo on Sept 6, 2020 20:52:57 GMT -6
Good to hear the L345pc is impressing. Got a couple hundred acres of it but haven't got the combines into it yet.
L252 has been around for a long time already. Its resistance to the most prevalent blackleg strains may not be as strong as it once was. When we still regularly swathed canola it was my favorite variety.
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L345PC
Sept 6, 2020 21:05:11 GMT -6
Post by SWMan on Sept 6, 2020 21:05:11 GMT -6
My experience with the "P" varieties is they will drop pods before they split open. How long that takes depends on many factors like temp/wind/hail/stand and probably fertility and moisture. They are pretty tough though, probably okay this early in the year.
I don't think it got as windy here today as they were calling for. Only thing I saw blowing was some freshly swathed kochia from the neighbors oat field they swathed last night...
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L345PC
Sept 7, 2020 21:40:34 GMT -6
Post by kevlar on Sept 7, 2020 21:40:34 GMT -6
How do you get the swath to go through the hole when it's that ripe? I swathed a few low spots a couple years ago after the snow that were dead ripe and it was a nightmare. I have a Challenger swather(same as Massey) with a 35' header and an Ag-Sheild cross auger. Best swather I have ever owned by a long shot. Only problem is it has 150 hours and has been parked at the back of the shed since 2017! I agree with slipclutch that a swather can be a handy tool to have, I just don't ever seem to use mine. I do have some pretty late canola this year, so might swath it to get harvest wrapped up a little earlier by taking the green out of the straw. I thought you might have the augers after I asked that. Do you have the auger under the swather as well to pull it through the hole? When it did finally go through ours, it would pile up underneath. Likely better if it's standing good, ours had been snowed on a few times and flat as a pancake. If I went into the lean, it was like picking up a sheet of plywood and would go straight over the back of the header. Glad it was just a few low spots, would never have done a days worth. |
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L345PC
Sept 7, 2020 22:16:34 GMT -6
Post by SWMan on Sept 7, 2020 22:16:34 GMT -6
No nothing under the swather, seems fine if it makes it through the opening. Important to roll it tight, I've had swaths stay put in 100Km/hr winds if they are rolled tight into good stubble.
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L345PC
Sept 8, 2020 8:43:57 GMT -6
Post by jaymo on Sept 8, 2020 8:43:57 GMT -6
We combined 7.9 acres last night. It was testing dry but some green pods and bits in the sample. Not too bad though. Yield on that little test run was pretty good, considering some burnt up gravel spots. If the rest of it does anywhere close to that it will be fun combining!
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L345PC
Sept 28, 2020 9:30:46 GMT -6
Post by victory on Sept 28, 2020 9:30:46 GMT -6
Well, the 345 is in the bin! Nice looking canola. Considering all the rain we got this year, I'm quite happy with a 40+bu/ac average yield on the 160 acre field. Part of the field was running well over 50 bu/ac. The one thing about this variety that I was not impressed with is the standability. It didn't go flat, but low enough that swathing became more challenging. What experiences have others had? This is my first year with the L345PC. Still remember growing 5030 canola. Think that stuff was hard to beat! Stood extremely well and yielded like crazy. Could get pretty tall and bushy; probably why they discontinued it. Topic for another thread -- what is the best yielding canola you have every grown?  |
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L345PC
Sept 28, 2020 10:26:14 GMT -6
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Post by meskie on Sept 28, 2020 10:26:14 GMT -6
Our 345 is standing the same as 233. Yielding about the same but have only done 60 acres so far. 255 is the yield winner so far this year.
Best canola we have grown would be L252. It’s also been close to the worst. Depending on the year.
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