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Post by Albertabuck on Sept 1, 2020 13:13:03 GMT -6
Good afternoon...anyone have any experience feeding mature canola to cattle? Got a call from a neighbor who had a partial aeriation bin of canola heat on them over the summer. Sounds like about 1K bu were in play. They got what would run out and is not bad looking stuff @300 bu sitting on a truck and asked me since they know I'm kind of short on feed grain this year, if I wanted it, its free. On my way to see exactly what it looks like, he's former cattle guy himself so I'm not expecting it to be total crap. Did some quick checking, it is done, but appears you don't want to exceed 5% of diet or it messes with their guts, will shut down fiber intake they say. Not sure how processing it thru the hammermill or roller will work, I've done lots of cereals with canola but never where canola was the main ingredient, so was thinking what might work ok is to mix it in with the silage and feed it that way, but suspect most will simply go straight thru the cows. Would have been diff had I been able to blend it in as the silage was done so it could have all cooked together, that would have been excellent, but no chance of that now silage pile is already a bright white lol. Seems like it is a good source of protein, but it also seems like you are getting into something where a bit too much can really end up making things worse. If anyone does this, appreciate some input. Thanks.
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Post by Beerwiser on Sept 1, 2020 13:34:39 GMT -6
No personal experience with it, but I think that 5 percent is right. I think the oil loosens them up too much for the fiber retention. Any chance of making a new silage pit with canola and some green feed? Not a silage guy either. I will ask my neighbor when I get a chance, I know he has messed with what you are looking to do.
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Post by meskie on Sept 1, 2020 13:36:22 GMT -6
Never fed canola before except the odd bit cleaned up from a bin or spill and dumped in the silage pit. I know canola silage is a tough thing to feed. We did it one year but mixed it with barley silage.
A couple friends that are into animal nutrition tell me you can pretty much feed 5% ration of anything to cattle. I would want to process it somehow otherwise I’m sure it would go right through.
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Post by Albertabuck on Sept 1, 2020 19:07:03 GMT -6
Thanks for the input. Just to clarify, this is 2019 crop that was carried over thru this summer and was a partial bin full. Looking like it may have been condensation up till August accumulating along the sides then when the sun started shining, bin right out in the open, as the worst was def on the south half of the bin, that is most likely what set it off. I had similar happen once summer with a partial bin of barley, except it was water getting in between the wall and floor that set that off, and again, was the first bin in a north south row and only the south side that gave trouble. When you think of how hot it must get inside a bin, not hard to see trouble brew up like that.
Not that @300 bu a big deal but when things are tight, anything helps. Think I be lucky if I could scrape up 1200bu of oats and barley of my own right now and most of that is seed stock so not really wanting to feed all of that up. Nothing got seeded, so nothing to combine except about ten acres of swath grazed oats from last fall which seemed to be doing ok at first so I didn't work it up, but now very disappointing but be a few bushels lol, and was no cereals to make into silage, so silage this year is alfalfa grass mix.
Be different feeding canola as grain, I'm kind of wondering how the heck I can process it without completely gumming up the works of everything. Even the roller I think will run into issues, its an old industrial style one with large diameter smooth rolls, won't stick as bad as grooved rolls but there are no scrapers, never needed any before. Not sure the hammermill can handle it without other grain mixed in, screens will plug up instantly I would think. I do have more than one mill, have one of them big Bearcats with that large processor/hammermill on it and the large transfer blower, so was thinking I could pull the pipe between the blower and dust cyclone and turn it out and blow it into a plie or a truck or something, perhaps using a larger screen, run it thru more than once, if one fed it slow enough, thats one humongous mill on that old girl. So long and short I have options. Anyone ever roll or grind straight canola before? Could mix it say 50/50 with barley then run it thru the hammermill, run about 1/4 screen, again if fed slowly should at least crack most seeds, and as long as a guy kept it out of the tank, that eliminates the issues that could develop there lol.
And I belive it is their bodies reacting to the fat content in the oil that triggers them to stop eating roughage if they get too much. And as for feeding it with the silage, thought that way mix it so its not concentrated as if say fed on the ground or trough by pail or my grain buggy, so no chance of a few pigs scarfing down more than they should while those beside them are just picking at it. Have to admit be good to have some high protein since I am missing my normal silage this year.
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Post by meskie on Sept 1, 2020 19:11:48 GMT -6
I think if you could get it into canola meal somehow that would be best. Should be high protein supplement that way. How to do that I’m not sure.
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Post by Beerwiser on Sept 1, 2020 21:24:33 GMT -6
So I think I should ask since meskie indirectly brought it up. I have heard from a few people that it is not necessary to grind or roll feed grains. Apparently with whole seeds, the cow is still able to extract all the nutrients out of it even if it does come out whole in the crap. I am still not sure if I believe it and have not bothered picking enough whole kernels out of crap to get it tested. With that said and if there is any truth to that a small seed like canola may not need processed.
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Post by meskie on Sept 1, 2020 21:45:18 GMT -6
So I think I should ask since meskie indirectly brought it up. I have heard from a few people that it is not necessary to grind or roll feed grains. Apparently with whole seeds, the cow is still able to extract all the nutrients out of it even if it does come out whole in the crap. I am still not sure if I believe it and have not bothered picking enough whole kernels out of crap to get it tested. With that said and if there is any truth to that a small seed like canola may not need processed. I have only ever heard that with oats where it doesn’t pay to process them. You don’t get any more value then the cost of processing them. Barley and corn you still need to process them. Feedlots would feed whole grains if they could and it made economical sense.
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Post by kevlar on Sept 1, 2020 22:01:20 GMT -6
This is coming from a guy with no animal experience or background, so take it for what it's worth. The times we have dried canola, there is always some on the ground, the deer will come in and eat this stuff in droves. They will eat so much of it that their feces no longer resembles anything like deer crap but looks more like huge human turds laying all over the yard, so much nicer to step in than regular deer turds. Now where I'm going with this is deer are very smart animals when it comes to feed, unlike cows who will eat until they bloat and die. So for a deer to eat canola in this amount tells me they are getting nutrients from it without it being processed, as it looks to be whole when it comes out the other end and is being scraped off my boots. I could be entirely wrong and maybe deer are like us and sometimes like a treat and something different from the same old boring food every day. And maybe this is why I don't have cows.
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Post by Albertabuck on Sept 1, 2020 22:08:00 GMT -6
Like Meskie said, works with oats but not most other grains. The one feedlot I used to sell grain to I believe his threshold was around $2.25 a bu on oats, that and under I unloaded in the one silage pit and they got fed whole, above that and they got augered into a bin for rolling. The logic was below the threshold it was cheaper to buy more oats than it was to process them. Oats will somewhat break down and soften enough the hull sort of opens up in the guts, to where the cow might utilize up to about 70% of protein and fiber, other grain like barley or wheat not so or to a very much lesser degree. I actually feed a lot of whole oats myself, few reasons, they are cheap and easy to grow, and by feeding them whole there is very seldom ever an issue of having to worry about bloat with any age of cattle, very few of them can manage to swallow enough of them to ever cause bloat. And also by feeding them whole, I don't have the cost of processing either, same as the feedlots, but absolutely I am losing a good portion of the feed value, but even at three bucks, I'm still feeding my poorest ones and selling the best and admittedly time becomes a cost that I take into account as well at different times of the year.
A lot of seeds do make thru a cow no prob and are still viable, weeds mostly, but also many grasses. I know of more than one who actually mixes grass seed in with salt and mineral, obviously untreated seed, and the idea is the cows scatter it when they poop, this is actually an fairly old practice, I have never really got down to seeing if it really works, personally I think there is more efficient ways to rejuvenate a stand.
Thats what is so nice about silage, nothing comes out of there and grows, nothing. Not even that g--dam sentless chamomile and cockle. Once things cook, germination is done and the seeds are broke down to where they can be easily digested thoroughly.
I think most of canola would probably go right thru them unprocessed. Persoanlly I think the best is if I can roll it. Never thought of it till I was walking across the yard just before I come in and walked right past it and then turned around and was like a light went off, got another big hammermill I forgot about. got a big tub on top of it and conveyor out the back lol, now that one wouldn't get clogged up very easy! Farmhand even made a hopper attachment for grinding grain on large scale, wouldn't take much to rig something up, if I am gonna grind, I think I'll try the tub grinder first.
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Post by Beerwiser on Sept 1, 2020 23:54:17 GMT -6
Huh, thanks guys. I learnt something. Never thought about the cost to process vs nutrient gain. Glad I asked.
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